I'm doing an upgrade for a customer and need to keep it on the cheap. had a p100 and is a casual user going with a duron with 40gig and 128mb of ram. The guy is a very casual gamer. wants to play deer hunter 4 and probably south park games. Anyway, to the point. Right now my usual vendor is low on video cards under $50. My options are a tnt2 32MB, Savage2000 64MB, and a radeon VE 32MB. I know that the radeon ve doesn't have the t&L engine, but do you guys think it'd be enough for a really casual gamer.