sorry just got carried away with words thesaurus, I would just like to sake a big thanks to everyone on this site it has saved my a$$ manytimes, it is also the best learning site on the net even when i come up with a dumb question i dont get flamed i get an answer even if it is an obvious one Windrivers has also inspired me to finaly get certifed( i am already certifed by the local mental instite) so cheers windrives