opinions please

**KINGofBLEH** · June 26th, 2002, 10:13 PM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Sandman72:
King...
You are a debate team captain if I ever did see one.

<hr /></blockquote>Funny you should mention that.....

**ilovetheusers** · June 26th, 2002, 10:16 PM

Damn King. Might wanna go post in that "little known facts" thread.

**KINGofBLEH** · June 26th, 2002, 10:38 PM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by ilovetheusers:
Damn King. Might wanna go post in that "little known facts" thread.<hr /></blockquote>Yah no kidding. Most people figure it out after they have known me for a while.....lol

**kingtbone** · June 27th, 2002, 06:24 AM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by ilovetheusers:
Also, if you can find some stats on what who contributes money and soldiers I'd appreciate it. If I'm dead wrong I really want to know so I can change my viewpoint -wouldn't be the first time. Still, I think if you looked that you would find the US, over the entire period of time of the UN’s existence, contributed more than any other.<hr /></blockquote><a href="http://www.un.org/Depts/dpko/dpko/contributors/31032002.pdf" target="_blank">Here's</a> a PDF of this year's peacekeeping contributions to date. US stacks up at #17. Looking at the archives, the US topped out at number 8 worldwide for troop donations in 1997.

 <blockquote>quote:<hr />
And, I don’t feel that all of our media is one sided at all if you see all of it and not just CNN. I do feel that the televised media isn’t a decent source of information at all though and personally I avoid it whenever I can. <hr /></blockquote>I tend to agree that not all of our media is one sided, but that watching mass media will more often than not, give you a slightly skewed perspective. I commend you for your level-headedness as well

**Sandman72** · June 27th, 2002, 06:36 AM

That was aninteresting pdf but I think it is only counting military and civillian police not actual troops.

**kingtbone** · June 27th, 2002, 06:38 AM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by KINGofBLEH:
Furthermore, CNN and the rest of the news media are not controlled by the Jews. They are controlled by Americans. Of course there will always be bias in favor of American ideals, but the fact that America has many news organizations and Freedom of the Press gives them a leg up on 90% of the rest of the world. <hr /></blockquote>Don't something like ten corporations control 90% of the media in the United States? I'll have to go break out the ol' Chomsky books on this one I guess.

**kingtbone** · June 27th, 2002, 06:46 AM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Sandman72:
That was aninteresting pdf but I think it is only counting military and civillian police not actual troops.<hr /></blockquote>My understanding is that that's the way the UN labels troops. As far as peacekeeping operations are concerned, these are accurate numbers. Once you get into things like the US moving into Afghanistan, which, while it does jive with much of the world's interests, it's not a UN peacekeeping operation. That might be where the confusion comes from.

**kingtbone** · June 27th, 2002, 06:54 AM

Look at this great link I've found <a href="http://www.thenation.com/special/bigten.html" target="_blank">here</a>, describing how 10 companies control just about the whole landscape of American (and some European) media. I'm not sure why this is relevant, and I can't remember what made me look for this, but it is very interesting to see where the bulk of your daily information comes from. I guess it pertains to how all of the world's viewpoint is shaped by the interest of these 10 corporations.

Edit: P.S. It's all pictures! (And well made too!)

**egypshn** · June 27th, 2002, 09:35 AM

<blockquote>quote:<hr /> From Kingof Bleh:
I was unaware of any actions NATO was taking against Iraq. The only weapons inspections in the area in the last 10 years were conducted by UN groups.

<hr /></blockquote>I did apologize for the mix-up. I did not mean to reference NATO. I meant the UN and my point was that the U.S., being a participant has no right to back-up Israel knowing what they are doing to Palestinians. When I say I have friends in those areas, I mean I have friends in those areas, friends who have witnessed their families being killed in cold blood, friends who have literally had to run for their lives from Israeli soldiers, friends whose homes have been demolished right before their eyes....for what? Because of Hamas......a group completely independant of civilians and government. These people who are dying previousely lived normal lives like you and I. The other half of the problem is that is wasn't one simple attack where a few innocent people died, IT'S STILL HAPPENING AS WE SPEAK.

<blockquote>quote:<hr />From King of Bleh:
First, Timothy McVeigh was not a suicide bomber. He lived on for several years in jail after he bombed the Fed building in OK.

<hr /></blockquote>Does it really matter whether or not he is/was a suicide bomber, does it make a difference that he spent time in jail. If they caught the suicide bombers and arrested them they would simply change the name to homicide bombers but the fact remains they would still be terrorists *** opposed to a guy who blew up a building.As a matter of fact if you add up all of the casualties caused by McVeigh and the casualties caused by suicide bombers, the numbers would be surprisingly close.

<blockquote>quote:<hr /> From King of Bleh:
I wonder how many Arab newspapers are printed in the middle east that are critical of Yasser Arafat or Saddam Hussein. Ummmmm the answer would be.....zero.

<hr /></blockquote>I tune in to the Arab Media (via satellite) quite often and THEY are the ones who show the real pictures, as hard as it may be to believe, for the most part they are unbiased. When Israelis die, they are just as saddened as when palestinians die. This is the real rationale behind my supposed biased opinions. The Arab channels will show the exact scene of destruction caused by suicide bombers but it's funny when ONLY the Arab channels show the destruction and casualties caused by Israelis

<blockquote>quote:<hr />From: ilove the users:
egypshn
I didn't mean to offend you bud. Now, don’t take this as an offensive statement. As for saying that you know people in the Mid East - you really know people in every single country and do you know people who know Arafat? What freedoms do their press have that assures that they can print something the government does not like? Most folks outside the US don’t have a constitution that protects the press and lets them print what they will. That’s what I was getting at.

<hr /></blockquote>No offense taken, I do respect your opinion. Yes I do know people. I do have a good friend who left the airforce (he is now in medical school) only 5 months ago. He used to fly one of the fighter aircrafts (not sure which one) and he simply couldn't handle the things they were doing. I will not go into details but he did receive "classified information" clearance and I do trust what he says. I am not one of those people who obtain an opinion and then try and find evidence to support it. Hey if the Arabs are wrong, they're wrong, I din't give a sh*t, I live here but when they aren't wrong I can't agree just because majority opinion agrees.

<blockquote>quote:<hr />From: ilove the users:
Just give me the alternative news source so I can go there.

<hr /></blockquote>My friends wife works for CNN (she was one of the few who were allowed to follow Clinton just about everywhere he went and I know this because she was on the news several times with him), and I also have a friend who works for a major TV network, (Fox2 News). Her name is Sandra Ali, Detroit, MI. Sandman, you live here, you may have seen her on the news. I was also previosely employed at the U.S. Embassy in Cairo Egypt and still keep in contact with some friends who are still employed there. I DO get an accurate scoop of a lot of the things that go on behind the scenes. I am not trying to sound like one of those people who just happen to know someone from every arena but I do have a lot of friends in a lot of places and I like to keep in touch with them for this very reason. I will do my best to get you a reliable alternative news source.

<blockquote>quote:<hr />From: King of Bleh:
Furthermore, CNN and the rest of the news media are not controlled by the Jews. They are controlled by Americans. <hr /></blockquote>You could not be more wrong buddy.

<blockquote>quote:<hr />From: ilovetheusers:
What freedoms do their press have that assures that they can print something the government does not like? <hr /></blockquote>The newspapers have to be a little bit more careful. The televised media has just as much freedom as they do here. Don't get me wrong, you'll never see a talk show host ripping on their leader as you see here (Jay Leno etc...)but as long as the info. is accurate, they are free to say what they like.

It is almost impossible for me to respond to everyone's input as I am being attacked with facts and numbers from many different people. We can go on about WWII and the Ottoman Empire and who divided the land till we are blue in the face. I guess you have to be an Arab to see the prejudice as I see it.

In the end...I got nothin but love for ya!!!!

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