toshiba dvd driver

[mastermiaow]

I have a toshiba sd-c2102 dvd rom drive on an IBM Thinkpad 600e. But I do not have the proprietary driver for this (only the generic win 98 driver). So the windvd software does not recognise the drive. Does anyone have the driver in question? ( I have looked on TP driver site and Toshiba sites with no success).

[NooNoo]

This is the technical manual for it

here is the much friendlier use manual

Software Driver

Toshiba’s DVD-ROM Drive is "plug n’ play". In Windows, when you apply power to your computer and boot-up, the system will recognize new hardware, and begin installing Window’s ATAPI driver. If you prefer using DOS, download the ATAPI driver from our web site.

As you can see from the quote, it needs no drivers.... what you may be lacking is a decent aspi layer you can get one right here

[mastermiaow]

very useful to finally find details about the player. (looked all over Toshiba uk site!)
I did as instructed and downloaded aspi layer from adaptec. Files were unzipped to adaptec folder and I clicked on the "aspiinst" application file and then rebooted. I now have APIX.VXD version 4.71.2 and WNASPI32.DLL version 4.71.2. But problem persists. I haven't read dvd rom manual yet but my understanding is that because the current driver associated with dvd player is a generic windows 98 cd driver (Microsoft 4-23-1999), this does not have capabilities to play dvds (unlike the XP driver). I used to be able to play dvds but when I reformatted the correct "driver" was lost.
Any ideas?

This is the technical manual for it

here is the much friendlier use manual


As you can see from the quote, it needs no drivers.... what you may be lacking is a decent aspi layer you can get one right here

[NooNoo]

"the driver" is the same driver that is used to drive your hard disk. Having a general look for Thinkpad drivers, there may be quite alot of utilities that you should have, but have not installed. type your full model number in ibms support page and see what else is available to you.

[mastermiaow]

"the driver" is the same driver that is used to drive your hard disk. Having a general look for Thinkpad drivers, there may be quite alot of utilities that you should have, but have not installed. type your full model number in ibms support page and see what else is available to you.

I thought I had all the latest TP drivers but will check again - I am pretty sure I have updated all audio and video drivers but I will look at anything do with the hard disk.
In the original quote from manual it mentions the system "installing Window’s ATAPI driver" - is this the same as the generic cd driver that I have (Microsoft 4-23-1999) or is it something else? The only thing I could find under "ATAPI"was Necatapi.vxd - is this it?

[NooNoo]

You are looking for ide or chipset or motherboard drivers. These are the drivers that drive the hard drives and cds etc. They also tell windows what to do with the other stuff thats onboard - apart from sound and video.

Alternatively post your full 7 digit model number and I will have a look for you.

[mastermiaow]

You are looking for ide or chipset or motherboard drivers. These are the drivers that drive the hard drives and cds etc. They also tell windows what to do with the other stuff thats onboard - apart from sound and video.

Alternatively post your full 7 digit model number and I will have a look for you.

My machine number 2645 AL3 (Thinkpad 600E) but there did not seem to any drivers specifically for the three cats you suggested.
This was the address I used:
http://www-1.ibm.com/support/dlsearc...s+98&cc=us&p=1

I'd be interested to see if you find anything different.

You didn't reply to my query about ATAPI driver so I assume I have the correct one.........

[NooNoo]

I agree, no ide drivers... but there is this and there are a number of "supplemental files for ..." updates but you haven't said which windows you are running... there is also a bios update that may improve windows ability to correctly identify the device.

One thing has occured to me, you say you are using windvd - it may be an oem version tied to a particular drive make and model other than yours.

[mastermiaow]

I agree, no ide drivers... but there is this and there are a number of "supplemental files for ..." updates but you haven't said which windows you are running... there is also a bios update that may improve windows ability to correctly identify the device.

One thing has occured to me, you say you are using windvd - it may be an oem version tied to a particular drive make and model other than yours.

I have Win98se
Definitely no problem with BIOS as I have latest.
Background to this problem is that when reformatting hard drive I forgot to backup software and therefore lost the powerdvd player that was on the machine. I had bought machine second hand and did not have either the software CD or the TP windows OS CD (I just used a generic windows 98se CD- before it ran on Wind98) Since then I have downloaded both powerdvd and dvdexpress successor. Both programmes reported that the DVDs they attempted to play were not CSS encrypted. After trying with 8 or 9 DVDs I realised that the problem was elsewhere! So I uninstalled these programmes and got my money back.
I then got onto the TP 600 forum and someone sent me a copy of the TP dvdexpress software from the original TP software CD. He also sent me a copy of Windvd that works fine on his Thinkpad.
This guy has winXP and the CD driver on this can play DVDs unlike that on 98.
I did have DVD update you pointed to and ran it again but made no difference.
When I attempt to play with DVD express the light comes on on the drive and I can hear disc going round but the title and chapter settings stay at .00. Also the DVD does not start the program automatically which was the case before. The CD facility works fine and starts up automatically when a CD is inserted.
I assume I am missing some vital link that comes on TP windows98 CD but not on the generic one? I thought that maybe my friend with XP could send me the XP CD driver but is this compatible with Windows 98?
I have been advised that maybe I just need to reformat again?

Any comments gratefully appreciated.

[confus-ed]

Ummmm ... much confus-ed-ness .... lets get this straight - if your DVD works in windows 'anyhow' (so even as a cd) then it doesn't need any additional drivers (other than chipset drivers, maybe, but they'll improve IDE transfer - so also ATAPI transfer, as the ATAPI device, your DVD, is connected via IDE to your computer)

I think you are short of some encoder/decoder codec (this is the bit you don't get free & why you really have to pay for DVD s/w - there are ways around this, but we'll put them aside for now) ... this is the bit that 'translates' DVD stuff into a stream that your IDE interface can handle. (that's a 'pants' explanation, but for now its all you are getting )

Lets have a bash with some 'other' software & see if it persists ... try this - 'free trial' or there's a 'huge' list here (some of them 'must' also have 'trial' offers?)

This :-

One thing has occured to me, you say you are using windvd - it may be an oem version tied to a particular drive make and model other than yours.

May very well hold water, but trying some trial or other, that hopefully isn't hardware tied, should clear up whether its that or not.

[mastermiaow]

Ummmm ... much confus-ed-ness .... I think you are short of some encoder/decoder codec (this is the bit you don't get free & why you really have to pay for DVD s/w - there are ways around this, but we'll put them aside for now) ... this is the bit that 'translates' DVD stuff into a stream that your IDE interface can handle. (that's a 'pants' explanation, but for now its all you are getting )

Lets have a bash with some 'other' software & see if it persists ... try this - 'free trial' or there's a 'huge' list here (some of them 'must' also have 'trial' offers?)

This :-

May very well hold water, but trying some trial or other, that hopefully isn't hardware tied, should clear up whether its that or not.

OK Friday night spent a long time with a mate having a bash to make the ruddy thing work. Via DVD express, we opened up the the video folder (titles video_ts) of the dvd in question "princes bride" (well known dvd that should be able to played by any dvd player on the market). In the video_ts folder of the dvd, all the video files with the suffix .vob and .bup had a generic windows icon next to them and were not being recognised ie you could click on one of these files, press open, hear the disk going round and then nothing. Also , the dvdexpress programme automatically looked for MPEG files, you could point it to other file types via the drop down list of files of type and there was a category for DVD files but only those with suffix .ifo.
Via Windvd, when looking in the Video_ts folder of the dvd, the same files had the generic windows icon against them and could not be opened. Unlike dvdexpress there were no suffixes listed after the file names. Windvd only listed "media files" in the "files of type " category.

Secondly we tried to add .bup and .vob files to the registered file types under settings/folder options/file types. We clicked new "file type" and put .vob in the associated extension box. However we were unsure what to choose from the drop down menu for content type (MIME) - there were a number of video file types listed. Of those that were not mpeg or quicktime, video avi, video/x-ivf, video/x-la-asf, video/x-ms-asf were listed. We chose one of these four at random and put in "play" under action and used browse to locate dvdexpress as the the application associated with this file type. We tried a number of permutations with content type and between dvdexpress and windvd and at one point I was able to open one file in dvd express which turned out to be a still image but we were never able to play the dvd using play buttons in either program. It would be helpful to know category under content type I should put for .bup and .vob.
I am pretty sure there is no problem with the software even though the above indicates the software is unable to recognise certain file extensions. The reason is because I have tried with 4 different types of software - 2 which I downloaded and paid for. Powerdvd was one of them!
The two I am currently trying were copied from the original programmes and work fine on another Thinkpad. The dvd express software is what comes with all thinkpads with dvd players on them. I just can't believe that the software is at fault if 4 different programmes are all unable to play dvds on my computer!

[confus-ed]

I can smell the frustration burning away from here ! ... bear with us

When you went to http://www-1.ibm.com/support/dlsearc...s+98&cc=us&p=1 you said you didn't find anything you needed ... well I think you need an 'inf' patch to fix up 98 to recognise your thinkpad's inards (chipset) correctly. Lets add that & see if it helps - hopefully it will (I don't want to cause you more 'pain' !)

Here's yet another link in this 'sorry' saga

This package is required when you install Windows 98 without the Product Recovery CD-ROM. If you use the Product Recovery CD-ROM shipped with your ThinkPad to restore the Windows 98 preload environment, you do not need this package.

& if you read a bit further it says it applies to win98SE too ....

(ho hum - the simplest answer might be to 'borrow' a copy of the recovery cd from someone, strictly this might be illegal, but I never told you !)

[mastermiaow]

I can smell the frustration burning away from here ! ... bear with us

When you went to http://www-1.ibm.com/support/dlsearc...s+98&cc=us&p=1 you said you didn't find anything you needed ... well I think you need an 'inf' patch to fix up 98 to recognise your thinkpad's inards (chipset) correctly. Lets add that & see if it helps - hopefully it will (I don't want to cause you more 'pain' !)

Here's yet another link in this 'sorry' saga

& if you read a bit further it says it applies to win98SE too ....

(ho hum - the simplest answer might be to 'borrow' a copy of the recovery cd from someone, strictly this might be illegal, but I never told you !)

If I could borrow a thinkpad recovery CD I would but for the moment I am going to try the second link which seems on the button. Was this second link "Windows supplement file diskette" 1 of the 31 search results from the first link???? I couldn't find it there....
Is the inf patch you mention contained in this second link (I assume so)
I am a bit bamboozled by the following instructions which are subsequent to creating the diskette (quite straightforward):

Copy all the cabinet files and installation programs in Windows 98 Second Edition retail CD-ROM to your HDD as follows.
2.1. Make a temporary directory ( for instance, C:\WIN98) and make sure enough harddisk space is available to store the cabinet files and installation programs (the required free space vary depending on the language of Windows 98)
2.2.Copy all the cabinet (.CAB) files and installation programs from \WIN98 directory of Windows 98 CD.
Type "COPY src_cd:\WIN98\*.* tgt_drv:\tgt_dir" and press Enter
where
src_cd: Drive Letter of CD-ROM drive ( e.g. D:, E: ...)
tgt_dir: Drive Letter and Temporary directory
3. Copy updated INF files to the temporary directory
3.1. Type "COPY A:\W98SE\*.* tgt_drv:\tgt_dir" and press Enter. Where: tgt_drv:\tgt_dir is the drive letter and temporary directory made in 2.1. (e.g. C:\WIN98)
4. Start Installation from the temporary directory
4.1. Run "Setup.exe" in the temporary directory
4.2. Refer to the Windows 98 documentation and instructions on the screen to complete the installation.

Anyway I will have a go..wish me luck

[NooNoo]

These instructions assume you are working with dos or command line - I will translate for you.

2.1. Make a temporary directory ( for instance, C:\WIN98) and make sure enough harddisk space is available to store the cabinet files and installation programs (the required free space vary depending on the language of Windows 98)

you can ignore this one... we can do it in one step in the next bit

2.2.Copy all the cabinet (.CAB) files and installation programs from \WIN98 directory of Windows 98 CD.
Type "COPY src_cd:\WIN98\*.* tgt_drv:\tgt_dir" and press Enter
where
src_cd: Drive Letter of CD-ROM drive ( e.g. D:, E: ...)
tgt_dir: Drive Letter and Temporary directory

Put the windows 98 cd in the cdrom drive - if you have autorun, exit out of the screen that comes up
using explorer for your cd drive, right click the folder win98 on the cd, select copy. Now double click my computer, double click C drive, right click on a blank bit and select paste. The win98 folder will be copied directly.

3. Copy updated INF files to the temporary directory
3.1. Type "COPY A:\W98SE\*.* tgt_drv:\tgt_dir" and press Enter. Where: tgt_drv:\tgt_dir is the drive letter and temporary directory made in 2.1. (e.g. C:\WIN98)

Using explorer open the A: drive (dont forget to put the floppy in), click edit menu, select all, then edit menu, copy - Now navigate to your c:\win98 folder and on a blank bit of that folder, right click and select paste.

4. Start Installation from the temporary directory
4.1. Run "Setup.exe" in the temporary directory
4.2. Refer to the Windows 98 documentation and instructions on the screen to complete the installation.

When the copy is finished, double click the file setup.exe - follow the wizard.

[mastermiaow]

A big thank you to both of you.
Last night followed instructions translated by Noo noo and it worked! :-) I really can't understand why IBM instructions do not cater for non -command line users which must make up the vast majority of computer users.
I do have a few follow up questions which I hope you can answer.
1. confus-ed - How did you locate the supplement file diskette link in question? I did do a search on IBM but never found anything. It would be helpful just for my own search queries in the future.
2. I did already have the supplementary files in question in a drivers folder on my hard drive. Why did copying win 98 folder to C along with supplementary files and then reinstalling make such a difference? (After all I already had both win98 and supplementary files on my hard drive).
3. Although dvdexpress is working, Windvd is not -still doesn't recognise dvd. Is this normal - for one dvd decoder to work and the other not?
4. I had another look at opening the video_ts folder on the dvd, expecting to see that the .vob files and .bup files would have specific program icons next to them but they still had generic windows ones. I was able to open these files however - just still images or distorted video/audio clips. Also I could not find .vob or .bup in file types under folder options. Any comments?