Rigged presidential poll

[Orangeman]

WOW punkinhead, that was a personal attack if I ever heard one. Why??? A question was posed and went unanswered. Again: why? You are just as old as I am. And, I find it really hard to understand what you would kmow about VietNam...since I hardly know. I am older than you, and I JOINED the Air Force in 1975. Right at the end of the war!!! And, while I was in the service, I met all kinds of people who WERE drafted.
So, during the years that VietNam was at it's height, you were what?: 10-15 years old???? Come on now. What do you know about VietNam??? And I have a degree in History. And, even though I am considered a "VietNam ERA Veteran", I was NOT in Nam!!!
YOU OWE Ya_know an apology!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
PS
Yeah, I know it's hard, but I once owed -ed an apology, and I delivered.

Suck My....

[TripleRLtd]

Suck My....

Good come back. Think about it overnight and come back tomorrow with your apology to Ya_know. Really!!!!

[Orangeman]

Good come back. Think about it overnight and come back tomorrow with your apology to Ya_know. Really!!!!

You'll have enough posts to be a moderator before that happens....


BTW, why ARE you defending some spoiled little rich boy who joined the Coast Guard to avoid Viet Nam....?

[Major Kong]

Bush 100%
Edwards 90%
Kerry 83%
Dean 70%
Sharpton 55%
Kucinich 50%

I though Bush was in the Air National Guard? I didn't know he was a Coastie? By the way during times of war and conflict the USCG is transferred from the DOT over to the DOD. There were plenty of Costies active in Viet Nam. My uncle was there in '68 & '69 providing close in ground support.

[Orangeman]

Bush 100%
Edwards 90%
Kerry 83%
Dean 70%
Sharpton 55%
Kucinich 50%

I though Bush was in the Air National Guard? I didn't know he was a Coastie? By the way during times of war and conflict the USCG is transferred from the DOT over to the DOD. There were plenty of Costies active in Viet Nam. My uncle was there in '68 & '69 providing close in ground support.

My bad. He was in the TEXAS Air National Guard, helping our nation prepare for an attack from either Oklahoma or Mexico....

BTW, the US never officially declared war in Viet Nam. It was a "police action..."

[Major Kong]

BTW, the US never officially declared war in Viet Nam. It was a "police action..."

Well Duh...that's why I said war and conflict as in Viet Nam Conflict.
I was right there too. The old draft # was a comin' up, but because of several broken bones, torn ligaments, ripped muscles, surgeries on ankles, knees, wrist, neck and feet (who said baseball wasn't dangerous? ) the NVA would have had to be in downtown Richmond VA before they would have gotten to me!

[jaeger]

My bad. He was in the TEXAS Air National Guard, helping our nation prepare for an attack from either Oklahoma or Mexico....

BTW, the US never officially declared war in Viet Nam. It was a "police action..."

The fighters Dubya flew were for bomber interdiction. They would have had no use in Vietnam anyways. The newest claim (substantiated only by a letter to the editor by someone claiming to have served with Dubya) is that when Guard pilots were being transferred to combat duties, Dubya tried to join but was denied as the program was ending.

Orange, I have no idea who you support, but if Vietnam is truly a major issue with you, make sure you check on Kerry's behaviour upon his return to stateside.

[Ya_know]

BTW, the US never officially declared war in Viet Nam. It was a "police action..."

Shows how little you actually know about Viet Nam. It was a war, despite the bureaucratic realities; the atrocities, death and mayhem made it so. I wasn’t even alive yet, and even I know that…

[confus-ed]

Shows how little you actually know about Viet Nam. It was a war, despite the bureaucratic realities; the atrocities, death and mayhem made it so. I wasn’t even alive yet, and even I know that…

Yeah & it finnished after you had all gone home ! ...

When you were involved 'technically' it was a civil insurgence, the North Vietnamese being all 'communist rebels' & the French being the 'technical' imperial overlords ...

Somebody is lying about their age - you pulled out in 1973 - & there's a bit of debate about when it might 'technically' be all over - but I'd say 1976, by which time the North had successfully invaded everywhere & felt confident enough to be changing all the road signs to those we might be familiar with today ...

[cisco2]

I serve in the Air National Guard. I joined in 1989 and I have never been active duty. I am proud of my service to my country and I serve with many good men and women who might take more than a little offense at some of the tone about serving in the Guard. The roots of the U.S. National Guard go all the way back to the Minutemen who fought for our country's birth. Member of the National Guard have fought and died in every war the U.S. has ever been in. Even when it wasn't technically a war (Viet Nam, Desert Storm-commonly called Gulf War btw, the recent liberation of Iraq) men and women of the U.S. National Guard have been involved in the conflict. There are more than a few people from my base who have been to Iraq in the past year. A close friend of mine, recently retired spent three months in Kuwait helping our forces prepare before the invasion began. At 59 he was the second oldest person in the U.S. Military in Kuwait at the time. He was called and he went and served. Please don't denigrate service in the Guard. Snipe away at Bush if you must but the graves marking the final resting places of members of the U.S. National Guard who fought and died in conflicts the world around deserve a bit more respect. Serving in the Guard is not draft dodging, neither is Coast Guard service for that matter. Even in peacetime men and women of the Coast Guard risk their lives saving stranded mariners and intercepting international drug runners and smugglers. Well now I've gone and got all worked up...Rant off

[Ya_know]

I serve in the Air National Guard. I joined in 1989 and I have never been active duty. I am proud of my service to my country and I serve with many good men and women who might take more than a little offense at some of the tone about serving in the Guard. The roots of the U.S. National Guard go all the way back to the Minutemen who fought for our country's birth. Member of the National Guard have fought and died in every war the U.S. has ever been in. Even when it wasn't technically a war (Viet Nam, Desert Storm-commonly called Gulf War btw, the recent liberation of Iraq) men and women of the U.S. National Guard have been involved in the conflict. There are more than a few people from my base who have been to Iraq in the past year. A close friend of mine, recently retired spent three months in Kuwait helping our forces prepare before the invasion began. At 59 he was the second oldest person in the U.S. Military in Kuwait at the time. He was called and he went and served. Please don't denigrate service in the Guard. Snipe away at Bush if you must but the graves marking the final resting places of members of the U.S. National Guard who fought and died in conflicts the world around deserve a bit more respect. Serving in the Guard is not draft dodging, neither is Coast Guard service for that matter. Even in peacetime men and women of the Coast Guard risk their lives saving stranded mariners and intercepting international drug runners and smugglers. Well now I've gone and got all worked up...Rant off

I failed miserably to illustrate that point you so eloquently addressed cisco2, thank you for steeping up for the cause and defending some fine Americans!

[Ya_know]

Somebody is lying about their age -

I am not lying...I really am 2 years old, in Windriver years...

[geoscomp]

and just one point about the Coast Guard from someone that was really there:

"During that first year of operations the cutters of Squadron One

1) steamed more than half million miles;

2) stayed underway over seventy percent of the time;

3) detected 15,000 junks;

4) inspected 30,000 junks;

5) boarded 35,000 junks;

6) accounted for 75 VC KIA/WIA/CIA;

7) arrested several hundred;

8) destroyed sixteen junks and one steel hull;

9) captured more than 100 tons of enemy weapons and supplies;

10) conducted thirty—five Naval gunfire support missions;

11) participated in special operations in support of U.S. and South Vietnamese forces; and conducted an active psychological warfare campaign.