Dubya's 50 greatest accomplishments

**opiate** · April 6th, 2004, 10:00 AM

Originally Posted by techs

OK. The BIGGER PICTURE>
The invasion of Iraq is part of plan put forth a few years ago by some neo-con think tanks. It postulated that a sea change in the Mid East could be brought about if an oil producing country could be made into a western style democracy. They said that such a country would spur change throughout the middle east.
I personally believe this is why Bush invaded Iraq. It is a bold plan. My problems with this is we may have mistaken the interests of the people of Iraq. Undoubtedly they were one of the most secular of all the mid east countries. However, the religious leaders were the ones who were opposed to and oppressed by Saddam. Their goal is now the Caliphate. With large part of the population still believing in the Caliphate I don't know if there will ever be peace and prosperity in Iraq. The success of a secular government seems only to be possible with the support of American troops. I think that if there is one thing we have learned it is that an occupying army will not gain the peoples support over time, in fact the opposite. We may be in for years of terrorist attacks against us both in Iraq and here at home. If we pull out I fear Iraq will become another Iran.
just my opinion

Good point....I aggree most of what you are saying, but the master Iraq plan about oil is still something I don't belive.

**Zil** · April 6th, 2004, 10:18 AM

Originally Posted by techs

OK. The BIGGER PICTURE>
The invasion of Iraq is part of plan put forth a few years ago by some neo-con think tanks. It postulated that a sea change in the Mid East could be brought about if an oil producing country could be made into a western style democracy. They said that such a country would spur change throughout the middle east.
I personally believe this is why Bush invaded Iraq. It is a bold plan. My problems with this is we may have mistaken the interests of the people of Iraq. Undoubtedly they were one of the most secular of all the mid east countries. However, the religious leaders were the ones who were opposed to and oppressed by Saddam. Their goal is now the Caliphate. With large part of the population still believing in the Caliphate I don't know if there will ever be peace and prosperity in Iraq. The success of a secular government seems only to be possible with the support of American troops. I think that if there is one thing we have learned it is that an occupying army will not gain the peoples support over time, in fact the opposite. We may be in for years of terrorist attacks against us both in Iraq and here at home. If we pull out I fear Iraq will become another Iran.
just my opinion

Note: When you post something like this, it is important to differeniate between what is fact and what is opinion.

Originally Posted by techs

The invasion of Iraq is part of plan put forth a few years ago by some neo-con think tanks. It postulated that a sea change in the Mid East could be brought about if an oil producing country could be made into a western style democracy. They said that such a country would spur change throughout the middle east.

This sounds like a fact, lets have some data/links whatever.

Originally Posted by techs

I personally believe this is why Bush invaded Iraq. It is a bold plan. My problems with this is we may have mistaken the interests of the people of Iraq. Undoubtedly they were one of the most secular of all the mid east countries. However, the religious leaders were the ones who were opposed to and oppressed by Saddam. Their goal is now the Caliphate. With large part of the population still believing in the Caliphate I don't know if there will ever be peace and prosperity in Iraq. The success of a secular government seems only to be possible with the support of American troops. I think that if there is one thing we have learned it is that an occupying army will not gain the peoples support over time, in fact the opposite. We may be in for years of terrorist attacks against us both in Iraq and here at home. If we pull out I fear Iraq will become another Iran.
just my opinion

This, you state as opinion. Thats fine, you can have an opinion, but please post some kind of facts/data so that we can believe/laugh at what you have to say.

I'm not trying to challenge you, I'm actually trying to understand why you post alot of this stuff and have no basis for it. Maybe if you posted things to back up what you say, I might be inclinded to believe you more. Right now you sound like a guy who watches the skies for the Black Helicopters who are coming to get you.

**JaxSon** · April 6th, 2004, 10:25 AM

Originally Posted by techs

OK. The BIGGER PICTURE>
The invasion of Iraq is part of plan put forth a few years ago by some neo-con think tanks. It postulated that a sea change in the Mid East could be brought about if an oil producing country could be made into a western style democracy. They said that such a country would spur change throughout the middle east.

Where did you pull this one out of? I personally don't believe these are your thoughts. You picked them up somewhere...where? You must be a plant by the Democratic party...LOL.

Any links/data to support your assertions?

**techs** · April 6th, 2004, 10:32 AM

We covered this previously. Links were provided.
btw what books on the terrorist situation/current events have you read?
The Bush campaign seems to be based on:
1)Incredibily short memories
2)Innuedo
3)Blind patriotism
4)Shouting down its critics.
I am not saying that their ultimate aims are the same but isn't that what fascist countries do?

**JaxSon** · April 6th, 2004, 11:21 AM

Originally Posted by techs

We covered this previously. Links were provided.
btw what books on the terrorist situation/current events have you read?
The Bush campaign seems to be based on:
1)Incredibily short memories
2)Innuedo
3)Blind patriotism
4)Shouting down its critics.
I am not saying that their ultimate aims are the same but isn't that what fascist countries do?

But no links now to provide....hmmm...can't seem to find them.

I must admit that I haven't read a book since reading one of the Dr. Seuss's books to my kids. But that doesn't mean I'm not informed. I have satellite TV, the internet, etc...and I do read the papers. Also, I have been around the world a couple of times and across most of the USA. So, don't start putting on airs towards me...

Define fascist:

The most notable characteristic of a fascist country is the separation and persecution or denial of equality to a specific segment of the population based upon superficial qualities or belief systems.

Who is being persecuted or being denied equality in the U.S.? Are you?

**Zil** · April 6th, 2004, 11:30 AM

Originally Posted by techs

We covered this previously. Links were provided.
btw what books on the terrorist situation/current events have you read?
The Bush campaign seems to be based on:
1)Incredibily short memories
2)Innuedo
3)Blind patriotism
4)Shouting down its critics.
I am not saying that their ultimate aims are the same but isn't that what fascist countries do?

Again, you post more bullcrap.

I see no links from you on your information ANYWHERE IN THIS THREAD. And I haven't read these books for the same reason I'm sure you don't read anything by Rush Limbaugh or Bill O'Reily. *edit* See also that I didn't post your Richard Clarke post because I haven't read the book. *edit*

You are the one with the credibility problem. We have shot down other posts of your "data" and yet you still think that you can post whatever comes to your mind with no accountability.

Why do we shout you down? Because you post bullcrap. Keep shoveling.

**Ya_know** · April 6th, 2004, 11:33 AM

Originally Posted by JaxSon

Who is being persecuted or being denied equality in the U.S.? Are you?

Oh damn. Here come all the remarks about Gays wanting to be married...

Far as I am concerned, Gays already have the same rights we do. However they want us to make it legal for them to break laws and dishonor tradition...

**opiate** · April 6th, 2004, 12:14 PM

Originally Posted by Ya_know

Oh damn. Here come all the remarks about Gays wanting to be married...

Far as I am concerned, Gays already have the same rights we do. However they want us to make it legal for them to break laws and dishonor tradition...

Yep!

**Cleetus** · April 6th, 2004, 12:18 PM

Dishonor tradition?

You have got to be ****ting me

**opiate** · April 6th, 2004, 12:22 PM

Did you all realize that the original thread starter Webhead, copied his 50 reasons from this website....http://www.ejectbush.com/no_brain.html

WebHead, why do we need to find a reason? You obviously don't have any of your own reasons to back anything up...you just plagiarized your whole point.

This is a perfect example of why Bush has a somewhat bad rep. Because liberals are so gulible they will believe anything negative about a political figure....and then pretend they can back it up. http://www.ejectbush.com/no_brain.html

**Ya_know** · April 6th, 2004, 12:24 PM

Originally Posted by Cleetus

Dishonor tradition?

You have got to be ****ting me

No way man, you're my favorite turd... :butt:

**Cleetus** · April 6th, 2004, 12:26 PM

Yeah, but on the flip side, I never have been able to figure out why so many Rep's have been so quick to say that Bush is so honest and moral? I just haven't seen it, and can't figure out where the hell they get that notion.

**jitBob** · April 6th, 2004, 12:28 PM

Originally Posted by Cleetus

Yeah, but on the flip side, I never have been able to figure out why so many Rep's have been so quick to say that Bush is so honest and moral? I just haven't seen it, and can't figure out where the hell they get that notion.

He says he's gonna execute ya, by God he's gonna execute ya.

**JaxSon** · April 6th, 2004, 01:38 PM

Originally Posted by opiate

Did you all realize that the original thread starter Webhead, copied his 50 reasons from this website....http://www.ejectbush.com/no_brain.html

WebHead, why do we need to find a reason? You obviously don't have any of your own reasons to back anything up...you just plagiarized your whole point.

This is a perfect example of why Bush has a somewhat bad rep. Because liberals are so gulible they will believe anything negative about a political figure....and then pretend they can back it up. http://www.ejectbush.com/no_brain.html

Good find!

Concerning the gay thing, Clinton had the right idea. "Don't Ask, Don't Tell!" In other words, I don't wanna hear about it...keep it to yourself. But then don't turn around and prounce around with your wannabe opposite sex and demand the right to a legal marriage and wear a wedding band. What a joke! Again, keep it to yourself...go back into the closet. I do not believe that we need a Constitutional amendment to ban gay marriages however.

Cletus, yes marriage's tradition seems to be that 50% end up in divorce. But the good part is that 50% also end up in good, happy marriages...well, at least not divorced.

**ilovetheusers** · April 6th, 2004, 02:05 PM

Originally Posted by Cleetus

Yeah, but on the flip side, I never have been able to figure out why so many Rep's have been so quick to say that Bush is so honest and moral? I just haven't seen it, and can't figure out where the hell they get that notion.

He's a die hard christian and his moral conservative politics show it, that's one reason he's loved and the moral thing. Right now a large # of republicans are conservative Christians. The republican party ain't Teddy's party anymore.

I haven't head people tout him as honest but as having integrity. I.E. sticking with things he says he's going to do. I though he was going to cut Govt. spending while he was running but that didn't happen. I think that they are reffering to sticking with the gulf war and fighting terrorism in an active way rather than cave to pressure to stop. I'm not sure of this one either.