Poll. Did Bush Mislead us about the Weapons of Mass Destruction.

**techs** · July 28th, 2004, 05:10 PM

Let's keep it simple. This poll only covers the time leading up to the war. It is asking whether Bush made any statements that IN YOUR OPINION he knew were not true.
This poll will expire in ten days.

**gazzak** · July 28th, 2004, 05:40 PM

I think you're missing the word "deliberately".

**Zil** · July 28th, 2004, 05:56 PM

Don't forget that alot of Congressmen and other nations were also "duped" into saying things that were not true.

Like this guy:

"In 1991, the world collectively made a judgment that this man should not have weapons of mass destruction. And we are here today in the year 2002 with an un-inspected four-year interval during which time we know through intelligence he not only has kept them, but he continues to grow them... .The threat of Saddam Hussein with weapons of mass destruction is real, but as I said, it is not new."

Sen. John Kerry (D.-Mass.)
Foreign Relations Committee member
Floor speech, Oct. 9, 2002

http://www.house.gov/mica/iraqquotes.htm

Full speech:

http://www.independentsforkerry.org/...erry-iraq.html

**techs** · July 28th, 2004, 07:15 PM

Originally Posted by Zil

Don't forget that alot of Congressmen and other nations were also "duped" into saying things that were not true.

Like this guy:

"In 1991, the world collectively made a judgment that this man should not have weapons of mass destruction. And we are here today in the year 2002 with an un-inspected four-year interval during which time we know through intelligence he not only has kept them, but he continues to grow them... .The threat of Saddam Hussein with weapons of mass destruction is real, but as I said, it is not new."

Sen. John Kerry (D.-Mass.)
Foreign Relations Committee member
Floor speech, Oct. 9, 2002

http://www.house.gov/mica/iraqquotes.htm

Full speech:

http://www.independentsforkerry.org/...erry-iraq.html

However, the inspections resumed. And the wmd were destroyed (or sent away) and Bush who had promised he would ask for a UN vote didn't ask cause he knew he would lose so he broke his promise to the American people and Congress and courageous Senators like Kerry who had voted with Bush when he promised he wouldn't go without a vote decided that without the UN and without the wmd being there that we shouldn't go.
Hence the I actually voted for the resolution until I voted against. He knew Bush lied and people would die for no good reason. Once again showing the courage Bush lacks.

**imaeditedbysowulo** · July 28th, 2004, 10:46 PM

I don't think George knew what was really going on. I still don't think he knows what's going on. When really important top level security meetings are taking place, I picture them giving George a slinky or something and having him sit in the corner playing with it, all the while just amazed at the super neat toy they have given him. Maybe one day it's an etch-a-sketch, maybe another day it's a rubix cube. Who knows, but I think Dick Cheney deliberately mislead people.

**TripleRLtd** · July 28th, 2004, 10:56 PM

Originally Posted by techs

However, the inspections resumed. And the wmd were destroyed (or sent away) and Bush who had promised he would ask for a UN vote didn't ask cause he knew he would lose so he broke his promise to the American people and Congress and courageous Senators like Kerry who had voted with Bush when he promised he wouldn't go without a vote decided that without the UN and without the wmd being there that we shouldn't go.
Hence the I actually voted for the resolution until I voted against. He knew Bush lied and people would die for no good reason. Once again showing the courage Bush lacks.

WTF????

are you talking about now techs???
Damn man!! This ****e is getting sooo old!!
Are you a member of a polical forum? If not: WHY not? Are you trying to convert WD to YOUR way of thinking? Get freaking real man!! So many of us are sooo sick of ALL this bull****e!! I mean: DAMN MAN!! If you care THAT freeding much about all of this, why the hell aren't YOU at the DNC???
What the hell are you doing here sprouting your crap?? I am SO FREAKING TIRED of your politics: whiich isn't politics btw, but witchhunting, and election posturing, that you make me want to freaking puke!!!

I have been here a year now, and I have yet to see anyone start more posts than you do, with less responses!! Do you get the correlation????
People are SOO sick of this crap!!
That does NOT mean we don't care about politics and the things that matter here, but DAMN man, you go WAY to far!! Will there EVER be a day where you stop the SERMONIZING and EVANGELIZING????
What? Is politics a freaking religion with you??? If so, than freaking run for office somewhere, but NOT here PLEASE!!!

**Zil** · July 29th, 2004, 12:16 AM

Originally Posted by techs

However, the inspections resumed. And the wmd were destroyed (or sent away) and Bush who had promised he would ask for a UN vote didn't ask cause he knew he would lose so he broke his promise to the American people and Congress and courageous Senators like Kerry who had voted with Bush when he promised he wouldn't go without a vote decided that without the UN and without the wmd being there that we shouldn't go.
Hence the I actually voted for the resolution until I voted against. He knew Bush lied and people would die for no good reason. Once again showing the courage Bush lacks.

Ever heard of UN resolution 1441? It was a month after your boy said that. And Bush didn't get that second resolution (which wasn't neccessary) because France, Germany and Russia wouldn't go along because of their oil deals.

http://ods-dds-ny.un.org/doc/UNDOC/G...df?OpenElement

If he knew Bush lied, why didn't he vote against the measure in Congress? Your logic makes no sense. Presented with the facts that Kerry said this, you still weasel your way out of facing the truth. No wonder no one respects you.

**Wayward Clam** · July 29th, 2004, 02:54 AM

I have to admit that I think it is possible that Bush is merely stupid, not evil, and that those who hold his puppet strings are the ones who deceived us deliberately...

**Orangeman** · July 29th, 2004, 03:21 AM

Originally Posted by TripleRLtd

WTF????

are you talking about now techs???
Damn man!! This ****e is getting sooo old!!
Are you a member of a polical forum? If not: WHY not? Are you trying to convert WD to YOUR way of thinking? Get freaking real man!! So many of us are sooo sick of ALL this bull****e!! I mean: DAMN MAN!! If you care THAT freeding much about all of this, why the hell aren't YOU at the DNC???
What the hell are you doing here sprouting your crap?? I am SO FREAKING TIRED of your politics: whiich isn't politics btw, but witchhunting, and election posturing, that you make me want to freaking puke!!!

I have been here a year now, and I have yet to see anyone start more posts than you do, with less responses!! Do you get the correlation????
People are SOO sick of this crap!!
That does NOT mean we don't care about politics and the things that matter here, but DAMN man, you go WAY to far!! Will there EVER be a day where you stop the SERMONIZING and EVANGELIZING????
What? Is politics a freaking religion with you??? If so, than freaking run for office somewhere, but NOT here PLEASE!!!

So Trip,

When are you gonna apologize for all the fights you've tried to start with me tonight?

**techs** · July 29th, 2004, 07:31 AM

Originally Posted by Wayward Clam

I have to admit that I think it is possible that Bush is merely stupid, not evil, and that those who hold his puppet strings are the ones who deceived us deliberately...

Yes, highly possible.

**Cleetus** · July 29th, 2004, 08:29 AM

Yes, if they had proof before we went to war, and supposedly knew where they were at, then how the hell with todays technology did they suddenly lose all of them with the exception of a couple of shells?

**jitBob** · July 29th, 2004, 09:14 AM

Originally Posted by TripleRLtd

WTF????

are you talking about now techs???
Damn man!! This ****e is getting sooo old!!
Are you a member of a polical forum? If not: WHY not? Are you trying to convert WD to YOUR way of thinking? Get freaking real man!! So many of us are sooo sick of ALL this bull****e!! I mean: DAMN MAN!! If you care THAT freeding much about all of this, why the hell aren't YOU at the DNC???
What the hell are you doing here sprouting your crap?? I am SO FREAKING TIRED of your politics: whiich isn't politics btw, but witchhunting, and election posturing, that you make me want to freaking puke!!!

I have been here a year now, and I have yet to see anyone start more posts than you do, with less responses!! Do you get the correlation????
People are SOO sick of this crap!!
That does NOT mean we don't care about politics and the things that matter here, but DAMN man, you go WAY to far!! Will there EVER be a day where you stop the SERMONIZING and EVANGELIZING????
What? Is politics a freaking religion with you??? If so, than freaking run for office somewhere, but NOT here PLEASE!!!

Have you never been mellow?

**Commander Klarg** · July 29th, 2004, 09:20 AM

Originally Posted by Wayward Clam

I have to admit that I think it is possible that Bush is merely stupid, not evil, and that those who hold his puppet strings are the ones who deceived us deliberately...

Possible? That's an understatement.

I think that Bush and company heard what they wanted to hear, and saw what they wanted to see as far as the intelligence is concerned, without putting a healthy dose of scrutiny in the mix.

This quote probably represents my take on it: Never attribute to malice that which can be attributed to stupidity.

My $0.02, keep the change.

**ilovetheusers** · July 29th, 2004, 09:48 AM

Stupid topic. BS, BS, BS.

**ilovetheusers** · July 29th, 2004, 09:51 AM

Originally Posted by Cleetus

Yes, if they had proof before we went to war, and supposedly knew where they were at, then how the hell with todays technology did they suddenly lose all of them with the exception of a couple of shells?

How does a trillion $$$ in drug traffic (I made that # up) occur in the most advanced nation in the world?