More amazing concidences in the war on terrorism.

[techs]

Feds arrest 2 in Albany Missile Scheme
http://www.newsday.com/news/nationwo...news-headlines
Man arrested in plot to blow up Dirksen building
http://www.suntimes.com/output/news/nettles05.html

Things in common:
Both were Federal "sting" operations.
Both were announced on the same day.
Both had been ongoing (missile sting over a year, length of time not specified for bomb)
Both occured just days after Ridge was criticized for warning of an attack based on old evidence.

In the missile case:
The arrest of the two Muslim leaders did not unravel any terrorist plots and Deputy Attorney General James Comey, in announcing the arrests, admitted, "This is not the case of the century."
In the Chicago case:
A convicted counterfeiter with an apparent grudge against the courts was arrested Thursday on charges of plotting to blow up a federal courthouse, but he never actually had materials to make a truck bomb, authorities said

So now we have had Tom Ridge make an announcement for no apparent reason 2 days after Kerry picks Edwards. Then he announced a plot based on old info 2 days after the Democratic convention.
Then when Ridge is roundly criticized for this a few days later the Feds decide to move on two ongoing stings. In Albany there was not a piece of missile in sight. In Chicago the guy tried to sell 1500 pounds of fertilizer but nothing else to make a bomb with and apparently did not have the know how to make a bomb.

It just looks more and more like the Bushes are using terorism to scare us.

[Steve]

Feds arrest 2 in Albany Missile Schemehttp://www.newsday.com/news/nationworld/nation/ny-stmosque0805,0,3909537.story?coll=ny-nationalnews-headlines

Man arrested in plot to blow up Dirksen building
http://www.suntimes.com/output/news/nettles05.html

Things in common:
Both were Federal "sting" operations.
Both were announced on the same day.
Both had been ongoing (missile sting over a year, length of time not specified for bomb)
Both occured just days after Ridge was criticized for warning of an attack based on old evidence.

In the missile case:
The arrest of the two Muslim leaders did not unravel any terrorist plots and Deputy Attorney General James Comey, in announcing the arrests, admitted, "This is not the case of the century."
In the Chicago case:



A convicted counterfeiter with an apparent grudge against the courts was arrested Thursday on charges of plotting to blow up a federal courthouse, but he never actually had materials to make a truck bomb, authorities said

So now we have had Tom Ridge make an announcement for no apparent reason 2 days after Kerry picks Edwards. Then he announced a plot based on old info 2 days after the Democratic convention.
Then when Ridge is roundly criticized for this a few days later the Feds decide to move on two ongoing stings. In Albany there was not a piece of missile in sight. In Chicago the guy tried to sell 1500 pounds of fertilizer but nothing else to make a bomb with and apparently did not have the know how to make a bomb.

It just looks more and more like the Bushes are using terorism to scare us.

His own inside people admit that Bush did not want information before the 9-11 attacks. He carefully crafted what information he wanted by continually asking
for a reason to be in Iraq. That was his priority before 9-11. Now after 9-11 Bush is telling us what we think we should know. Therefore we have the obvious post democratic convention propaganda. This guy is a machiavellian with a k-mart mentality. As an American I hope the rest of the world doesn't lose faith in us.

[techs]

Posted by Steve

This guy is a machiavellian with a k-mart mentality.

I like that. Did you make it up?

I heard this on tv this morning. A terrorist expert was saying that instead of having colors for the terrorism levels we should have:

Be afraid.
Be very afraid.
Be most afraid.

[Ya_know]

It just occurred to me, you both are delusional...that explains all of the propaganda!

[paraflyer]

His own inside people admit that Bush did not want information before the 9-11 attacks. He carefully crafted what information he wanted by continually asking
for a reason to be in Iraq. That was his priority before 9-11. Now after 9-11 Bush is telling us what we think we should know. Therefore we have the obvious post democratic convention propaganda. This guy is a machiavellian with a k-mart mentality. As an American I hope the rest of the world doesn't lose faith in us.

So, on the other side of the coin, why did Clinton ignore the problem with terrorists during his two terms? Blowing up American embassies, nope, that's not probable cause....bombing the USS Cole, nope, that's not probable cause....first WTC bombing, nope, no probable cause.....

Bush may have tailored the info, but by appearances Clinton would have rather ignored it all in favor of appeasement.

Doesn't matter how much you avoid the bee's nest, they can still sting you.

[techs]

So, on the other side of the coin, why did Clinton ignore the problem with terrorists during his two terms? Blowing up American embassies, nope, that's not probable cause....bombing the USS Cole, nope, that's not probable cause....first WTC bombing, nope, no probable cause.....

Bush may have tailored the info, but by appearances Clinton would have rather ignored it all in favor of appeasement.

Doesn't matter how much you avoid the bee's nest, they can still sting you.

Probable cause? For what, invading Iraq? One thing had nothing to do with the other. Bush came into office with no realization of the terrorist problem. Despite all the evidence he did nothing for 9 months. In fact he insisted long range missile development was our greatest threat.
No one knows what Clinton or Gore would have done after 9-11 but we know Bush used it as an excuse to carry out his desire to invade Iraq.

[Ya_know]

I thought it was the right thing to do...it's a rare thing for me to do it, but I would definitely commend Clinton for taking this action...was it right???

U.S. Strikes Iraq for Plot to Kill Bush

[Ya_know]

So let me ask this...

If it was OK for Clinton to bomb the sh!t out of Iraqi intelligence headquarters from a ship for attempting to kill a former president, why was it so frowned upon if Bush junior had this as one of many motive for invading Iraq? Although it was never stated as a direct reason, everyone here in the liberal camp was pointing fingers, and making accusations…

[Cleetus]

Clinton only asked for the assassination of Osama, who is not a political leader, therefor bypassing that stupid no kill political dude thing(I think it was an executive order, but can't remember which president it was under). Then also, clinton went at strategic military sites only with Iraq. Now Bush II on the otherhand went for a complete government overthrow while doing his damnedest to kill Hussein.


Or something like that

[Ya_know]

Clinton only asked for the assassination of Osama, who is not a political leader, therefor bypassing that stupid no kill political dude thing(I think it was an executive order, but can't remember which president it was under). Then also, clinton went at strategic military sites only with Iraq. Now Bush II on the otherhand went for a complete government overthrow while doing his damnedest to kill Hussein.


Or something like that

But surgical strikes killed civilians too.

That wasn't the last time Clinton Bombed Iraq...there was another again in 96, there was even a massive deployment at that time too...I remember it all too well, because we were preparing to hit Iraq for real and with ground forces, but Saddam backed down and so did we.

Then again in 98...that all happened around the impeachment thingie...seems to me that we've been stirring the hornets nest for a long while before GW Bush even set eyes on the office...what makes you think that Saddam wasn't planning something, or waiting for the moment to do it...if I was him I too would hate America...Bush did the right thing getting him out of power!

[Cleetus]

I remember biuld ups on the planes over there but not the ground troops, but then again, I was in college at the time drinking beer and chasing anything with breasts and a heart beat.

[paraflyer]

Probable cause? For what, invading Iraq? One thing had nothing to do with the other. Bush came into office with no realization of the terrorist problem. Despite all the evidence he did nothing for 9 months. In fact he insisted long range missile development was our greatest threat.
No one knows what Clinton or Gore would have done after 9-11 but we know Bush used it as an excuse to carry out his desire to invade Iraq.

Interesting.

YOU mentioned Iraq...I didn't.

I didn't refute that Bush may have tailored the info for his cause.

Clinton STILL did nothing of any merit regarding terrorism.

I was not talking of what Clinton "would have done" after 9-11, but WHAT HE DID DURING HIS OWN TWO TERMS IN OFFICE.

[Cleetus]

Interesting.

YOU mentioned Iraq...I didn't.

I didn't refute that Bush may have tailored the info for his cause.

Clinton STILL did nothing of any merit regarding terrorism.

I was not talking of what Clinton "would have done" after 9-11, but WHAT HE DID DURING HIS OWN TWO TERMS IN OFFICE.

Um, well it was the intelligence community of Clintons that knew within a short time exactly who did it. It was the lack of support to get the Counterterrorism overseer, which Bush just got, from the Republicans that could have prevented it by having people talking to eachother and sharing the information that the Clinton intelligence community found. It was the Clinton military that did in a short time what no other modern army has ever done(take over Afghanistan). It was Clinton's military that sliced right through Iraq.

He also still has the first WTC bombers in jail. And he did try to kill Osama after the embassy bombings. He recognized the threats in Afghanistan and Al Quaeda and started the mechanics that led us to victory there, too bad though that we pulled out too many forces too soon to capture all the bad guys and that Pakistan is actually rather quiet these days(can you say, OOOOOPS)

[Ya_know]

I remember biuld ups on the planes over there but not the ground troops, but then again, I was in college at the time drinking beer and chasing anything with breasts and a heart beat.

That's all that you have to say no response to the fact that we've been after this guy since long before Bush jr? Look, I know you are aware of these facts, and that reminding you isn't necessary, so please make some sense of your arguments here.

In retort to what you just said, I assure you we had units on standby all over the country, and around the world. Routine deployments were rerouted to the region, and several new forces were packed and ready to go with less than a months notice, some actually made it to the ships before being sent back to the bases. It never got so far as troops on the ground in neighboring countries that I am aware of, but I assure you this, before it fizzled out we were all preparing to go to war, I remember laughing off the need to write a will, all the while my insides were churning.

[Ya_know]

It was the Clinton military that did in a short time what no other modern army has ever done(take over Afghanistan). It was Clinton's military that sliced right through Iraq.

Clinton didn't have anything to do with it other than approving funding requests from the top Brass from all of the branches to make our military what it is today. It was the kick a$$ generals, the hardcore commanders, the hearts of many fine young enlisted men and women, including the driving motivational force provided by Bush that did all that you expressed. I guarantee when it all started 90% of the troops were glad to go, willing to fight, and loved president Bush. The other 10% is always there, they are known as the derelicts that shouldn't have made it past the screening, but always do. Since this all started things have changed, the fighting is over, and the fog of war is setting in, so that 90% is dwindling due to fatigue. But people that bash the war, protest it’s necessity, and bash Bush unjustifiably have caused that number to come down a bit more still, but that’s not changing the strength of that force.

Face it, The military is no more Bushs then it is Clintons. I will tell you this, while I was in during the entire Clinton administration, 90% of the troops didn’t like Clinton. He sealed his fate with the gays in the military push that never succeeded, and never would.