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    Quote Originally Posted by 3fingersalute
    Maybe I should beat_ya to it......
    i'll wait for confirmation from the man who gives the points first, not gonna waste my time if there's no point.
    Be extremely subtle, even to the point of formlessness. Be extremely mysterious, even to the point of soundlessness. Thereby you can be the director of the opponent's fate.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Khazad
    i'll wait for confirmation from the man who gives the points first, not gonna waste my time if there's no point.
    I think he's left for the day!

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    Quote Originally Posted by a d e p t
    A well deserved bonus point to you, sir.
    Who-hoo-hoo .. at last !! - a point, one single point that's all I ever wanted (I think Adept just took pity on me though )

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    Quote Originally Posted by confus-ed
    (I think Adept just took pity on me though )
    It was the Christmas story mate.............it touched all of us !!

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    Quote Originally Posted by 3fingersalute
    I think he's left for the day!
    I have?




    No points for questions which are now listed as "RESOLVED". Sorry.
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    Quote Originally Posted by a d e p t
    I have?




    No points for questions which are now listed as "RESOLVED". Sorry.
    I figured it was a Friday, you probably knocked off early.

    (If ya_know what I mean )

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    Exclamation Question 426 - RESOLVED

    It's official: 1=2

    And here is the proof...

    (1) X = Y -Given
    (2) X2 = XY
    -Multiply both sides by X
    (3) X2 - Y2 = XY - Y2
    -Subtract Y2 from both sides
    (4) (X+Y)(X-Y) = Y(X-Y)
    -Factor both sides
    (5) (X+Y) = Y
    -Cancel out common factors
    (6) Y+Y = Y
    -Substitute in from line (1)
    (7) 2Y = Y
    -Collect the Y's
    (8) 2 = 1 -Divide both sides by Y



    What is wrong with this?


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    The error arises in lines (4) and (5).
    Because X = Y, the common factor (X-Y) is equal to zero. Therefore by cancelling out the common factor, one is dividing both sides by zero, the results of which are undefined. The result of this calculation can therefore be seen to be a simple fallacy.

    (1) X = Y Given
    (2) X2 = XY Multiply both sides by X
    (3) X2 - Y2 = XY - Y2 Subtract Y2 from both sides
    (4) (X+Y)(X-Y) = Y(X-Y) Factoring both sides by (x-y), ie zero, is nonsensical
    (5) (X+Y) = Y Dividing both sides by zero leads to undefined results
    (6) Y+Y = Y Substitute in from line (1)
    (7) 2Y = Y Collect the Y's
    (8) 2 = 1 Divide both sides by Y
    Last edited by a d e p t; November 22nd, 2004 at 12:37 PM. Reason: 3fingersalute
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    step 2 x times x is not 2x
    Be extremely subtle, even to the point of formlessness. Be extremely mysterious, even to the point of soundlessness. Thereby you can be the director of the opponent's fate.
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    Quote Originally Posted by a d e p t
    It's official: 1=2

    And here is the proof...

    (1) X = Y -Given
    (2) X2 = XY
    -Multiply both sides by X
    (3) X2 - Y2 = XY - Y2
    -Subtract Y2 from both sides
    (4) (X+Y)(X-Y) = Y(X-Y)
    -Factor both sides
    (5) (X+Y) = Y
    -Cancel out common factors
    (6) Y+Y = Y
    -Substitute in from line (1)
    (7) 2Y = Y
    -Collect the Y's
    (8) 2 = 1 -Divide both sides by Y



    What is wrong with this?
    How did you get the "2" in "X2" on the second step?

    If X = Y and you multiplied both sides by X, you would get X squared = ZY.
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    Quote Originally Posted by a d e p t
    It's official: 1=2

    And here is the proof...

    (1) X = Y -Given
    (2) X2 = XY
    -Multiply both sides by X
    (3) X2 - Y2 = XY - Y2
    -Subtract Y2 from both sides
    (4) (X+Y)(X-Y) = Y(X-Y)
    -Factor both sides
    (5) (X+Y) = Y
    -Cancel out common factors
    (6) Y+Y = Y
    -Substitute in from line (1)
    (7) 2Y = Y
    -Collect the Y's
    (8) 2 = 1 -Divide both sides by Y



    What is wrong with this?
    If x=y, then x-y would equal 0.
    When you try to divide by 0 in the next step to factor out, it can't be done Dividing by zero is impossible!

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    Quote Originally Posted by 3fingersalute
    If x=y, then x-y would equal 0.
    When you try to divide by 0 in the next step to factor out, it can't be done Dividing by zero is impossible!

    That's it, for 3.
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    Exclamation Question 427 - RESOLVED

    At the local F1 race track, Eddie was testing the latest car.

    During the eight test laps, he managed to average the first two laps at 100mph, the next two laps at 102mph, the next two laps at 140mph and the last two laps at 150mph.

    What was his average speed for the entire 8 laps?



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    119mph:
    Set the track length to be a random number, e.g. 5 miles. Therefore the first two laps took 10 miles / 100 mph = 10 / 100 hours. Similarly, the second two laps took 10 / 102 hours, etc.

    The total time taken for 40 miles is therefore, 10/100 + 10/102 + 10/140 + 10/150 hours. Therefore the average speed for the entire 8 laps is 40 / (10/100 + 10/102 + 10/140 + 10/150) = 119 mph. QED.
    Last edited by a d e p t; November 22nd, 2004 at 02:26 PM. Reason: 3fingersalute
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    Quote Originally Posted by a d e p t
    At the local F1 race track, Eddie was testing the latest car.

    During the eight test laps, he managed to average the first two laps at 100mph, the next two laps at 102mph, the next two laps at 140mph and the last two laps at 150mph.

    What was his average speed for the entire 8 laps?

    100+100+102+102+140+140+150+150 = 984
    984/8 =

    123 mph??

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    119.0476 mph

    We need to find the time for each lap. If it is a one mile track:

    2/100 = .02
    2/102 = .0196
    2/140 = .0143
    2/150 = .0133

    Then divide total miles by total time 8/0.0672 = 119.0476mph

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