Windows 7

**NooNoo** · June 24th, 2009, 02:25 AM

Kodiak, I am interested in your experience with remote assistance. Can you tell me exactly what you did and what the setup was please?

**Kodiak** · June 24th, 2009, 10:39 AM

Sure I use ultra vnc along with himachi to tunnel into my pc from outside. This is the way I access my pc from my shop with winxp.

I also use ultra vnc along with this http://www.uvnc.com/pchelpware/sc/creator.html so people can download my helpdesk and click on it and I can access there pc from home to help them. It is setup with port forwarding to my pc and I just put ultravnc in listen mode and they click on the helpdesk and I can access their pc. This method of course is from home with win7 on it.

Both methods were effected the same way. Because of this problem I have went back to Vista which has no problems with this. Now this was 64bit Win7.

**NooNoo** · June 24th, 2009, 11:21 AM

Right so this is ultra vnc being slow and NOT Remote Assistance which is supplied in win7?

**Kodiak** · June 24th, 2009, 12:10 PM

Yes. I also have the same setup on Vista with no problems at all. I couldn't believe how slow it was. I would not have been able to get anything done like that.

**NooNoo** · June 24th, 2009, 02:35 PM

So it's a problem that VNC need to sort out.. have you reported it?

Edit: which release of Win7 did you use, RC1 (7100) or another one?

**Kodiak** · June 24th, 2009, 05:22 PM

The latest one that is out. I just installed it a couple weeks ago.

Now I was using 64bit however so I might try 32bit and see if there is a difference.

**NooNoo** · June 25th, 2009, 02:37 AM

Good idea!

**Kodiak** · June 25th, 2009, 09:44 PM

It seems 32bit is fine. I wonder if it was just a bad install with 64bit. I wanted to see if win7 was better in my games I play.

I may try going back to 64bit just in case something weird was going on the first time I installed it..

**NooNoo** · June 26th, 2009, 03:04 AM

Did you download the newest version of Ultravnc? read this

**Guts3d** · June 26th, 2009, 08:50 AM

Microsoft plans of a price reduction at first.

**Kodiak** · June 26th, 2009, 10:24 PM

I'm wondering if the upgrade will install like other upgrades where you can do a complete format as long as you have another MS disc to stuff in when it asks?

**NooNoo** · June 27th, 2009, 05:15 AM

Not sure on that one yet... and in the EU we won't get upgrade disks at all. I did have some fun upgrading my old laptop from XP to Vista to Win7. Works very well indeed, even crippled the spyware.

**Niclo Iste** · June 27th, 2009, 09:06 AM

I'm curious if the upgrade disk will work on the demo installations of Win7 or if we'll need to get a full version of an earlier edition of windows to install the upgrade.

**NooNoo** · June 27th, 2009, 09:12 AM

If you mean Release Candidate when you say Demo, the answer is unlikely. This is because it is not an upgrade as such. This is BETA. There may well be incompatible code between the RTM version and the RC and it does not make good business sense to have a bunch of programmers ensuring that there is a smooth upgrade path between unfinished and finished software.

As for the second question, if they left the Vista loophole intact, then yes you will be able to do a clean install from an upgrade version.

**slgrieb** · June 28th, 2009, 02:34 PM

Niclo, official word from Microsoft has always been that an upgrade installation to Win7 from any of the Betas won't be possible. As far a a clean installation from an upgrade edition, I can't remember reading anything specific yet.

It would seem logical to assume it will still be possible, but I don't know if I would bet money on it. If you read any of the Vista licenses, they are all very much more restrictive than previous license agreements. In fact, if Microsoft actually tried to enforce some of the provisions, there would be screaming and wailing heard throughout the land.

Heck, let's just take OEM licensing for Vista. OEM copies of Vista can only be sold with either a fully assembled computer or to a system builder who is going to sell the computer. An individual assembling a computer for his own uses is required to buy a retail version of Vista. Microsoft has finally gotten around to defining the moment when an existing OEM computer becomes a new computer, and that moment is.... motherboard replacement. So, put a new mainboard in your computer, and you are required to obtain a new Vista license. The only exception is replacement of a defective board with either an exact replacement or the manufacturer's nearest equivalent.

And then there are restrictions on what kind of recovery tools you can provide as a system builder, etc. etc. etc. Let's not even get into MS restrictions on letting volume users upgrade to Vista Business from Home Premium and so on. All in all, though, I wouldn't be surprised if MS tightened up licensing restrictions to the point where an upgrade version of Windows 7 won't do a clean install.