[RESOLVED] ATHLON

[Tech666]

Ahem....

They shipped 820's with the MTH (used SDRAM) , and those were recalled , the 820's have native support for RDRAM.

(if you know of something i missed , send me the link ,and i will be glad to eat those words )

as far as systems from OEM's , how many of my customers bought Athlons from gateway only to turn right around and ship them back , and buy an intel based system from me?

how many IBM aptiva's with k6-2's have been in my shop with the only real issue being chipset problems??

how many (and dammit , i stil love abit) Abit VA6's have been bought at computer shows only to come into my shop anbd be replaced with BH6's or BE6-II's?

Too Many for it to be a fluke...

Look , I like competition. I think its great that AMD is beating the **** out of intel on the FPU power frontlines , but these seem to be pretty consistent problems with the core logic, and i for one , am still happy to be an intel man

[Darren Wilson]

Someone else who agrees with me!!!!!!

My PIII 500 smokes nearly all the higher speed Athlons that I have seen in the shop. The only ones it doesn't smoke (but comes damn near though ) are the Athlons running at over 900Mhz!!!!

If AMD could get the chipset problems out of the way then Intel may well be worried but until then I wil sell Intel based systems only and have a lot of time free to surf the net in the shop whilst other shops are having to deal with the problems that they have with their supplied Athlon systems.

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[Nighthand]

I have built P3s and I have built Athlons. I have to say Athlons tend to be faster but are much more finicky. The P3 is more stable, like I understand is the same difference between the Duron and Celeron (I have not built either one yet). I think Athlons are for more experienced users, whereas the P3 is a little more idiot proof. As far as OEMs, I have seen most custom built machines beat OEMs in a pound for pound comparison. OEMs tend to use crappier parts to keep costs down. Not to cause any problems with anybody

[pga]

AMD=Bus Speed advantage + low price + poor quality control

Intel=cache advantage + stability + compatibility + reliability + quality control

AMD + Intel= a competitive market so we can buy intel cpu's at a reasonable price

While I admire AMD and usually go for the underdog, intel is my choice for building systems... less headaches for myself and my customers

[techs]

Originally posted by Tech666:
Ahem....

They shipped 820's with the MTH (used SDRAM) , and those were recalled , the 820's have native support for RDRAM.

(if you know of something i missed , send me the link ,and i will be glad to eat those words )

as far as systems from OEM's , how many of my customers bought Athlons from gateway only to turn right around and ship them back , and buy an intel based system from me?

how many IBM aptiva's with k6-2's have been in my shop with the only real issue being chipset problems??

how many (and dammit , i stil love abit) Abit VA6's have been bought at computer shows only to come into my shop anbd be replaced with BH6's or BE6-II's?

Too Many for it to be a fluke...

Look , I like competition. I think its great that AMD is beating the **** out of intel on the FPU power frontlines , but these seem to be pretty consistent problems with the core logic, and i for one , am still happy to be an intel man

First lets start with the ibm k6-2 machines. they failed at an alarming rate, i must agree. But maybe it had something to do with the 140watt power supply!!!
On to the Gateway. My first computer was a Gateway p233mmx with 32 mb sdram. Very fast. Very good quality, Intel chipset, great case(though custom made). However, my ensoniq audio card never worked right. 20 calls to gateway, still no luck. I went to aplus classes(5days) studied for 6 weeks, passed the exam. Two weeks later I had the Ensoniq card working. My point is that Gateway is an assembler with great help on simple problems, but no real technical expertise. so they bought amd, didn't know what they were doing, and they had problems. If Dell decided to sell AMD they would have the problems worked out before they sold them(didn't they catch the Rambus problem?) If AMD gets the acceptance of Intel, outside manufacturer support will help them with compatibilty. On the other hand how do you get that support without having the quality?
Dollar for dollar AMD systems, made by me, at least, smoke Intel. I choose my parts carefully, because i know most every one designs for intel first, amd second.this is not AMD's fault(BTW noice that Microsoft says the 350mhz win95 problem was theirs, not AMD's). So lets get in there, help AMD to become an even more viable alternative, and we will be able to sell better systems for less money, more reliability and keep the customers happy.