Should pedaphiles Be tagged

[Mayet]

http://www.theage.com.au/news/nation...934368696.html
*edit if you have to login to the news page a simple search on Mr Baldy and Australia in google will bring a ton of results.

the debate on pedaphiles is high on the Australian agenda afte rthe release of Australias notorious Mr Baldy, that dressed his boy victims up in girls clothng and shaved their heads. It has raised an uproar over his release back into society, mind you the house he was placed in was within a kilometre of not less than 6 schools.

In America the idaho Groene case has alerted people to the dangers of released perverts back into society, a sickness that can't be cured to easily it seems. * mutters short of castration and lobotomizing........

Should released sex offenders be microchipped with a gps tracking system, should they be left alone and should the public be made aware of a sex offender in their midst with address info and photo id given freely to the community?

[jaeger]

9mm lobotomy.

[shamus]

9mm lobotomy.

werd.

[Deanodriver]

It's a tough situation.

On one hand, he's a menace to society, and should never be allowed to be in contact with children, and for the safety of the children, he should be monitored.

However, on the other hand, it could be argued that since he has served his sentence, he has paid the penalty for his crimes, and should be completely rehabilitated by now, and given an extra chance. Does his sentence end when he leaves the prison? Is it the duty of the prison to rehabilitate prisoners in situations like this, or just acknowledge them as lost causes?

Given that he has already re-offended (and spent over 20 years in prison), his chances of being rehabilitated are slim, but I'd suggest to monitor him for a period of time (a year or two, perhaps), and if it's of the opinion that he has reformed, release him as a normal member of society. If he still hasn't reformed, continue monitoring him until he has. If he re-offends again, then life, no parole.

[El_Squid]

The decisions get easier if you stop thinking about them as human, and look at them like the monsters they are. Torch 'em all.

[amyb]

The decisions get easier if you stop thinking about them as human, and look at them like the monsters they are. Torch 'em all.

that's for sure because what they do to kids sure isn't human. They can't be rehabilitated, period. It's been proven time and again. They shouldn't be tagged. Gillotined (sp) sounds like a lovely idea.

[confus-ed]

that's for sure because what they do to kids sure isn't human. They can't be rehabilitated, period..

Which makes it an illness so we should understand etc , which I don't personally.

It's got to be either permanent impronisment or some secure mental hospital, or death if you ask me, children deserve protection from this, what kind of society lets folks like this loose ?

Since most places the death penalty isn't an option as politicians 'won't allow it to be' (though I think most folks would say its the only answer, it'll never find its way onto the list of options), then how the hell do politicians ever let these guys out ? (its most definately an incurable condition) They just shouldn't be allowed to, if taxes have to go up to pay to keep folks like this away from any possibility of re-offending then so be it, infact I'll gladly pay ! .. though I am taken with the 9mm lobotomy theory !


If all we get to do, though, is tag them , can it at least be in 4 inch lettering right accross their faces ? .. I want to know where to aim !

[NooNoo]

hmmm tag - you mean like those big chunks of plastic with a very sharp pin you get in shops to set off an alarm? Sure pin it through a nice private area of the body.

[ßracius]

Yet no one has brought up the responsibility of the parents. When we have people sending their children to spend nights over at Never Land ranch when the man was in trials over child molestation. Parents that rarely know where their children are until it is dinner time.

I would understand if we executed the molester that drove by in a van and snatched a child from the front yard but how often is that happening? It’s been through my observation that most of these parents realize that their child is missing only after a couple of hours of unaccountability. Why is the mentality different from that of leaving your keys in the car with the door open and going into the mall for 3 hours? Why are the parents blameless in one situation and not the other? Its simple negligence!

Now I am not advocating the molester. Prison was originally intended as a punitive action. A simple adaptation on the Babylon justice system, it was meant to punish for breaches of cultural code of law. It was not created to solely "correct" behavior, which is what it is used for now. It was created to punish to the degree of the crime (eye for an eye). When the molester commits his/her crime he or she is effectively destroying the life of the child. Meaning that child we never experience a normal life. Now we can debate if we should destroy the molester or punish in some other way but it needs to be known that there is more than one party at fault.

And before you ask, yes I have a child and I have a gun. My justice is my gun and any molester will be subject to it

[Mayet]

Yeah your right there bracius, I just went through it about 15 minutes ago with my children. They wanted to play out on the streets and go for a walk to the park and ride their bikes over to their friends place. But it is like the fear of terrorism. They have the right to be children, to be free and playing and exploring their environment but I can't let them go. What if someone picks them up, what if they get into some kinda trouble.

This is not a paranoid fear as there hae been five attempted abductions of children in my tiny suburb over the last two years and one particular one lately hitting this suburb and surrounds, trying to entice children into a silver car.....

My children are always within hearing distance, either in my yard or in front of my house only. When I go out they are always close to me but my sons have a habit of disappearing to explore. They do not understand the dangers and I have at least one episode of complete fear just about everytime we go somewhere and we travel every weekend for a picnic or BBQ when one of them disappears from sight or sound. I feel fear if they ask me to go over to public toilets by themselves.

I hate that society is this way. I remember a carefree childhood where i would be that child you are talking about and be home before dark. I hate imprisoning my children from there local exploration like that and I guess that could have something to do with why I take them for a trip every weekend. Today its going to be Brodies BBQ birthday party down at Muddies Water Play Park on the esplanade.

I expect a few moments of fear and that is awful, it is awful when you have to look at every adult stopping to talk to your 4 year old daughter as a potential bad person. The fear is always there, and in my case of 6 children it kinda magnifies. When we go out places there is many of them to watch out for and one pair of eyes.

Even when Krissy goes out and shes an adult now legally, I have fear, she often says she will walk home but I go and make sure I pick her up. She knows if she is stuck at 3 am even to ring and i will pick her up. She went out last night and I couldn't sleep comfy until I knew she was home safe.

It really sucks, no wonder parents hate these people. Ok one could argue it happened to the monsters as children but the chain has to be broken, the sickness stopped.

[Mayet]

and yeah I dont understand these parents that just let their kids wander the streets.. I am talking about kids between 5 and 10 here.... I know some kids that are allowed to wander streets for hours until their parents get home after school and such.

My kids go to after school care some day and come straight to the shop on others... I couldnt imagine letting a 5 year old 7 year old and 9 year stay at home for three hours by themselves.

[confus-ed]

I can't believe this has swung around to be blaming this on irresponsible parents !!!

Kids should be able to walk about un-molested & thats all there is to it.

[Mayet]

Yes they should and that was my point....but they can't

so as a parent I can sit here and say my kids should be allowed to roam and be free to learn and explore...but i can't let them because society has deemed it possible for these monsters to hurt my kids.......

so as a parent I am not doing my job, which is to bring my children up in one piece happily and healthily and full of love, if i allow my children to go unsupervised

[confus-ed]

Oh no, no, no, NO !

- gotta give kids freedom to grow anyway & you can't be stood there forever, not possible.

Damned if you do & damned if you don't methinks...

[El_Squid]

Fortunately for us, we live in an older residential area full of nosey retirees and all 5 of our kids are boys. They traveled in pairs, at the least, if going anywhere. I have dealt with the horrible effects of child molesters, having worked for nearly 20 years at a State Mental Health facility for children and adolescents, and have zero tolerance for people who will violate a child in any way.