Vista won't connect to internet through a ICS on XP

[NooNoo]

Right, let's get some terminology straight

The router is now acting as a switch (since it is not routing the internet any longer).
The DHCP server can reside anywhere but it must have a fixed ip address outside the pool of dhcp addresses it is going to give out. The DHCP server does not have a name.
Access points are closer to being hubs than switches and are definitely not routers!!
The gateway is the IP address of the machine (be it nic in a pc or a router).
All names should be in UPPPER case and contain no spaces or special characters
All names should be different for each piece of equipment on your own network so that you can use the \\server\sharedDevice convention

Keep it simple
Gateway PC - call it what you will - I would call it IGATEWAY
Access Points have SSIDs - this is NOT the same as a UNC Name (\\server\share)
Routers don't have UNC names

192.168.0.1 by convention is the gateway NIC
On your gateway machine, you will have two ips - one for each nic - what's the other nic getting for an IP?
Order your network by number so that IP addresses can be easily identified.
So the router which is being a switch I would put at 192.168.0.2
I would then leave a gap and start the Access points at 192.168.0.5
I would set the dhcp pool from 192.168.0.20 - 50 so I had plenty of addresses

On the client machines, nothing should be set - everything should be done via dhcp
Make sure that IE or whatever browser they are using doesn't have any proxy settings and untick the "automatically discover settings" in the browser.

How is the internet connected to the gateway pc? Usb modem? Ethernet Modem or something else?

[Smokin Joe]

Right, let's get some terminology straight

The router is now acting as a switch (since it is not routing the internet any longer).
The DHCP server can reside anywhere but it must have a fixed ip address outside the pool of dhcp addresses it is going to give out. The DHCP server does not have a name.
Access points are closer to being hubs than switches and are definitely not routers!!

Point taken... I will stop describing how I had created an access point from a DI-624...Sorry

The gateway is the IP address of the machine (be it nic in a pc or a router).
All names should be in UPPPER case and contain no spaces or special characters
All names should be different for each piece of equipment on your own network so that you can use the \\server\sharedDevice convention

Keep it simple
Gateway PC - call it what you will - I would call it IGATEWAY
Access Points have SSIDs - this is NOT the same as a UNC Name (\\server\share)
Routers don't have UNC names

Got it

192.168.0.1 by convention is the gateway NIC
On your gateway machine, you will have two ips - one for each nic - what's the other nic getting for an IP?

Ewww should I really give that out. It's Dynamic.
I can email it if you wish it would be a public ip wouldn't it?
75.xxx.xx.210 is pretty close

Order your network by number so that IP addresses can be easily identified.
So the router which is being a switch I would put at 192.168.0.2
I would then leave a gap and start the Access points at 192.168.0.5
I would set the dhcp pool from 192.168.0.20 - 50 so I had plenty of addresses

Good information I didn't leave myself enough room.

On the client machines, nothing should be set - everything should be done via dhcp

When I do that I have trouble getting an internet connection I usually end up putting 192.168.0.1 in the advanced section for gateway and Dns. Under DHCP enabled. On the client computers.
The pages on the web browser are more likely to come up. Sorry but I don't have much luck not giving it some help.

Make sure that IE or whatever browser they are using doesn't have any proxy settings and untick the "automatically discover settings" in the browser.

Right! One of the first places I look.

How is the internet connected to the gateway pc? Usb modem? Ethernet Modem or something else?

Ethernet card to switch to Speedtouch modem.
The switch allows to networks to exist on the same internet connection.


I found a couple of logins and logouts for 169.254.185.x in the early stages of the log on the Gateway ICS but now the computers are all finding the DHCP Server and being given the proper address's.

I think the reason for the other guests having a problem was the inactivity time out but I have changed that.
The Vista still can't surf.
Thanks for the info

[Smokin Joe]

After I did the ipconfig /all on the Vista Machine
I did the same on a couple of other computers and they all came up
with similar entries to mine identifying the DHCP server on .10
Just thought I would send this along.

Any idea as to why the Vista is seeing it as two different Gateways?

Host Name . . . . . . . . . . . . : delaney
Primary Dns Suffix . . . . . . . :
Node Type . . . . . . . . . . . . : Mixed
IP Routing Enabled. . . . . . . . : No
WINS Proxy Enabled. . . . . . . . : No

Ethernet adapter Wireless Network Connection:

Connection-specific DNS Suffix . :
Description . . . . . . . . . . . : Intel(R) PRO/Wireless 2200BG Network
Connection
Physical Address. . . . . . . . . : 00-12-F0-74-F6-65
Dhcp Enabled. . . . . . . . . . . : Yes
Autoconfiguration Enabled . . . . : Yes
IP Address. . . . . . . . . . . . : 192.168.0.12
Subnet Mask . . . . . . . . . . . : 255.255.255.0
Default Gateway . . . . . . . . . : 192.168.0.1
DHCP Server . . . . . . . . . . . : 192.168.0.10
DNS Servers . . . . . . . . . . . : 192.168.0.1
Lease Obtained. . . . . . . . . . : Saturday, December 13, 2008 10:46:49
PM
Lease Expires . . . . . . . . . . : Saturday, December 20, 2008 10:46:49
PM

[Smokin Joe]

Noo Noo
It is getting pretty late and I took a moment and looked at the issue of two Gateways being identified. .1 & .10 and the DHCP is on .10
Well I went into network properties for ipv4 and removed the default setting of .1 in advanced which I was telling you I have good results using.
I removed it and reran the ipconfig /all
It now shows one default gateway too bad it ends in .10 and the DHCP is on .10


I have also been reading that others using Vista are having the same problem of multiple networks and have had results in uninstalling the adapter in device manager.
We tried that, but we were reluctant to click the box saying to delete the file for the driver in the uninstall window.
It reinstalled the device but it didn't fix it.
Tomorrow morning we will probably find a replacement driver and try the procedure but deleting the file this time.

We may try using an external usb wireless adapter to see if it makes a difference.

Any warnings or suggests would be appreciated

[NooNoo]

OK, leave the Gateway info in the TCP/IP properties but remove the dns info... It should be able to find the gateway with that... it is finding the dhcp server so that's not an issue.

Have you tried pinging an internet address with the vista box?

In the cmd box with admin rights, type
ping 87.248.113.14
and hit enter
What do you get?

Now type tracert 87.248.113.14
Does it get there? If not, where does it stop?
X out your public ip as you did before, but leave the rest please

Vista shouldn't be looking at multiple networks - there is only one that the guest can use... right?

[Smokin Joe]

Just the one network.
Different access points (with different WEP KEY for each) for different guests to use but only one network.
Please don't be lead astray. It is a problem with Vista and the guests machine.
My system may need a tune up or revision but this is a really great kid and I need to make his system operate.
I am about to go over and setup side by side with the guest.

After you had me do the ipconfig /all I did a little more digging in his VIsta and I removed the !92.168.0.1. in the properties.
Now Vista shows a default gateway of only .10 with a ipconfig /all.
I posted information concerning the results in a previous post.

Sorry it was very late and it is difficult to remove his information so I can post it.
I have found some information on Route in the command prompt.
I will try your information first and I am attaching a link to a thread that seems to have found the answer concerning a similar problem, if not the same.
Please look at it and tell me if you think I am on to something.

http://forums.techarena.in/windows-v...ork/911839.htm

Any warnings cautions or help is very much appreciated

[NooNoo]

Specifically this post I would follow it to the letter

Interesting thing on the itunes bonjour network screwup too - does he have itunes?

And the other fix that seemed odd, but has some logic is disabling tcp/ip reboot, try to connect then diagnose and repair - it will re-enable it, but it might also reset it!

[Smokin Joe]

OK, leave the Gateway info in the TCP/IP properties but remove the dns info... It should be able to find the gateway with that... it is finding the dhcp server so that's not an issue.

Have you tried pinging an internet address with the vista box?

In the cmd box with admin rights, type
ping 87.248.113.14
and hit enter
What do you get?

Now type tracert 87.248.113.14
Does it get there? If not, where does it stop?

The DHCP Server .10 (Which is odd because he shows up in the Connections in Bandwidth on the .1)

We will re run the trace and get back to you with results


PS. Just rebooted the whole system got your post on "Following the link to the letter" will try that after ping results

[Smokin Joe]

It stops at .10
We are going to Follow the other link to the letter.

[NooNoo]

Right so is it possible you have two dhcp servers .... turn off the dhcp on the router... I think ICS is doing the dhcp..

[Smokin Joe]

I followed most of the steps the ones on Power management or Wake on lan were none existant.
I have tried the turn DHCP off before and we all ended up with limited connectivity
I just came over and I was going to "remove the ICS computer and run through the Router" like we used to.
I will turn off dhcp but I think this isn't going to fix it
Wish me luck if this doesn't work I will have to give up for awhile because it isn't fair to the kid.
Apparently last night he connected ok to a unsecure network in the area.
And was able to surf

[NooNoo]

Has he got Itunes?

[Smokin Joe]

SIGH Really BIG SIGH
It is a good sigh

Itunes? Why you want some
Your reply has caught me in the middle of this post and he does.
It was installed a couple of years ago and it really doesn't concern this.

After I got your last comment on two DHCP servers I disabled the DHCP on the access point.
Thanks buddy it came at the exact moment I needed it. I was just about to disconnect the ICS machine. And reconnect the router literally. 2 minutes later it would have been done.
Thanks Eh!


I disabled the DHCP and expected to get Limited connectivity.
It didn't???? My computer reconnected fine.
I am surprised... because I did it before and it didn't work properly and I had to reenable it.
Good news...DHCP is being handled by the ICS.
For how long I really can't guess I am somewhat sceptical. Sorry but I guess I can be negative especially if it didn't work the first time I tried.
Okay recap.
Access points all have DHCP disabled.
I can connect and surf no other guests are around except for Vista.
He COULDN'T connect until we uninstalled his adapter and had it delete the files for the driver. Did you notice the Past tense on the last line.

(We had already disabled his ipv6 earlier and it didn't make a difference.)


As soon as Vista reinstalled the adapter he was off and running. All his fancy connections to all these internet programs he has on his desktop fired up and he couldn't thank me enough. We never ran any more diagnostics in the command prompt. He literally disappeared with the whole Kit and Kabootle.
I hope this doesn't reoccur. I can't take much more I am falling behind on so many things.
Thank You For all your effort and support.
God Bless whoever you pray to.
I will be in contact with the sales department on the Bandwidth Manager and talk to them (long distance if need be) concerning the testing of their product.
I downloaded a version for testing from their website. It will run for an hour, long enough to find problems. I hate to be on the hook for a product that doesn't work properly and I have to live with the fact I paid for it.
I didn't respond to your comment on paying for it because I am just trying to get the ICS working.
Antamedia shows the most promise and I think it is exactly what I need.
Problem is if the ICS isn't working properly how can a software be expected to perform properly.
The limitations I am experiencing with compatiblity. (freezing after upgrades etc very possibly IE7) The reason I came to that conclusion is I ran the ABM (Antamedia Bandwidth Manager) after the initial install of the OS and drivers. No Problems
It was after a group update of 26 updates that ABM would freeze.
Another total reinstall creating restore points before each individual update and finally IE7 was all that was left.
I didn't trust the possiblity of not being able to uninstall IE7 from the restore point and I moved on. I had reached a conclusion it was the only thing left and I couldn't waste any more time.

Bandwidth Manager acted up the first time i tried to run it and I looked at other products. All seemed more complicated to setup but they all were designed to run on ICS so I forged ahead on at least getting the network based on an ICS connection.

Hopefully the DHCP keeps operating properly.
Thanks for all the input Noo Noo you have been a Great Help.
Joe

[NooNoo]

Anytime. Keep us updated on the ABM...

[Smokin Joe]

Hi Noo Noo
I contacted Antamedia and apparently it has come up before.
They said it isn't a problem to run it on Vista os.
They also mentioned they had an Antamedia Forum that I should check out.
Anyway they will be contacting me when the Beta 2 comes out.
I will probably contact sales in a day or two and see what kind of a deal is available if I purchase now and wait for the upgrade.

A friend mentioned I should remove it completely (IE) and use a different browser. He seemed to be of the opinion there is less security risk with Opera, Firefox or Mozzila.
Is that true?
Any security issues you can think of with running it on ie6 etc?
Thanks again Take Care